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Please produce a 2-3 paragraph (but more is welcomed!) thoughtful comment that shows your honest reflections and includes some type of contribution to our understanding of the issues at hand. Then, after reading the posts of your classmates, I'd like for you to jump back into the conversation -- either by critically responding to someone else or by adding to your previous post with further insights. Feel free to continue the dialogue if you wish. You will be graded on the value-added nature of your overall posts over the course of the term. Although I am certain that you will get the hang of this blog thing soon, please do not hesitate to contact me with any questions or concerns.
TOPIC FOR THE WEEK: We have covered a lot of ground this week (and, unfortunately, we didn't have sufficient time to fully explore all aspects of the readings). Here's your chance to offer your thoughts and ideas about anything related to class material. Let's get the dialogue going!
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I knew that this class would make face a lot of preconceptions I have about the world. I'm excited to learn more about how other people view the world, especially people who share different positionalities than I do. My concern lies in my religion -- I am a faithful Christian. I want to love all people, but how do I balance my beliefs with loving students who don't hold the same values as me?
ReplyDeleteI'm not going to beat anyone over the head with my Bible or try and preach to my class, but who I am is centered around my religion. How do I learn more about people of other religions or lifestyles without coming across as "yay, you're this other religion that I don't believe in at all, but good for you!" I've lived in the world and interacted with people different than me (I mentioned in class my homosexual sister), but it's different in a classroom. What things can be said, what things need to be avoided?
Megan -
ReplyDeleteThank you for so openly sharing your thoughts. I am a Christian too - but then again, that is because of how I was raised. Others are people of faith - but a different faith - because of how they were raised. As such, I have often wondered - is it morally right to believe that there's your religion and there's my religion - but frankly my religion is better? If that is the case (that someone's religion is better), then in all this one-upmanship among the faithful, someone has got to be wrong. And what does that say about God's implicit covenant with his people? Are there people who are less worthy of his love and therefore by design don't get to receive his word? Does God play favorites? If so, what does that say about God’s morality?
If we choose to believe that there is only one path to God (Christianity), then that means that the vast majority of the world is not receiving God's message. That to me seems like a confounding position to take. Do we really believe that a loving God would create a situation in which the majority of God's children are not benefiting from God's word? These are difficult questions. Because if God is that capricious with our lives and with our souls - how do we reconcile this notion with the idea that we are to love God with all our hearts, souls and minds? In other words - how can we love God – if God does not love all God’s children equally?
So my own pathetic attempt to answer these questions has resulted in the following position: I prefer believe that there are many paths to God. I prefer to believe that God loves all God’s children equally. And if that’s the case, then I have to believe that God speaks to different peoples at different times in different ways. Perhaps this is because in all my mixed-up ancestry I have a smidge of Cherokee Indian in me. It's hard for me to believe that the worship practiced by my ancestors and their brethren was somehow less holy and less worthy of God's love. Were they damned for all eternity because they didn’t get the right message? If that’s the case, then should I worship such a God?
So, my Christian faith is founded on the notion that God loves all God’s children equally (including people of faith and people without faith). I can’t possibly have a monopoly on the truth – and so the truth for me is that I do what’s right for me (Christianity) – but I do not interfere in or judge what others believe is right for them.
One of the interesting things I've come across in my study of religion (and yes I've read probably 30-40 books on the topic) is the similarity of thought among religions. Former nun, Karen Armstrong does a wonderful job of writing about the similarities of the three Abrahamic faiths (Judaism, Christianity & Islam). Huston Smith also does a fine job writing about a number of the World's Religions. What is revealed by these authors (and others), is that in looking at different religions we can see that yes, there are differences – but that there are also basic underlying principles that are very similar - and these similarities would perhaps bring us closer together if we only acknowledged them.
An interesting idea is that Dr. Greenfield mentioned that membership in the "privileged group" in the case of men and women is as detrimental to men as to women. I can see this can be applied to so many other "privileged" groups to different degrees in which membership limits your experiences, insight, growth and survival skills. Membership in a privileged economic group I believe is one example. I attended Berea College which only accepted students who had financial need and gave them all full scholarships. Much of the banter my classmates engaged in involved those lean years of fried bologna sandwiches and searching in the woods to collect glass soda bottles and later cans for cash so that we could buy a pack of gum or candy bar. In the retelling these experiences seemed to take on an excitement beyond themselves and my close friend, Mimi, who grew up rich but ended up poor due to the failing of her father's business, would lament that she wish that she had been able to share in all those experiences because it all seemed like so much fun. Instead the stories she had to tell were far grimmer as she went from having everything she wanted to having to support her family as a teen, and bring home leftovers from the restaurant where she worked to feed her family. She felt that, had she started out poor, it would have been much easier, since she would have those survival skills and would have gotten to search for cans in the woods like us!
ReplyDeleteIn our small groups so many of us (myself included) mentioned the resentment that we have against those of economic classes above ours. Over the years I have begun to deal with this resentment and have been fortunate to have several wealthy friends be my guides. I realized that my friends had their own set of difficulties as they felt the resentment of those from other economic classes and that they often had to go to great lengths to conceal their wealth and privilege in order to "not flaunt it". I also realized that they weren't always sure who their friends were and who were the ones who just wanted to spend the weekend at their mountain or beach house or ride in their fancy car(s). I also realized that when they went out to lunch with the non-wealthy, they felt pressure to always pay the bill. Years ago as a co-worker and I schemed, calculated and bragged about the various sales that we took part in, we stopped and both realized instantly, that although we were clearly having a ball (and developing math skills!) our wealthy boss and friend could not completely share in this joy. I will try to continue to deal with my "resentment" as I fondly remember riding in my sister's first car. There was plywood to cover the holes in the floor boards on the passenger side. I'll never forget that instant cooling effect as the water splashed up during summer rains. One of the back doors was held closed with bungee cord. It often came open on the mountainous roads. My sister quickly mastered the sharp turn to the left followed by a quick right needed to shut it. Although quite different from the swimming lessons we wish we had, a useful skill and fond memory indeed.
I'd like to make a few comments on students and family structure. I consider myself very fortunate that I grew up in an environment where I had every opportunity in the world and where I had very good support from my family and a long list of mentors. I find that this kind of support was crucial in my ability to grow in all facets of life but especially in my education. Many of the students we will interact with on a daily basis have little to no support from family or mentors when they step off campus. In my mind I know that we can be that mentor to them in the classroom but I fail to see what can be done for these students when they do not have constant positive reinforcement. At the same time as we read about in Joaquin's Dilemma there are students who have the support structures in place outside of school but who choose to run with the wrong crowd in school. It seems to me that while we talk about forcing a cultural change we are met with an equal and opposite net force in the wrong direction. As much as I would like to put a positive spin on a students life I feel that ultimately if students do not go home to nurturing parents or someone who is going to make them perform then there is no hope for that student to succeed. Clearly I am speaking from the White Privilege perspective here and I think maybe for the first time in my life it is putting me at a disadvantage as I enter a realm where I will be trying to relate to students who live in a world that is so foreign to me. I hope that as I create relationships with my students I can begin to understand but until then I think I will be in the dark. Learning about diversity, multiculturalism, and social justice is something I have done all my life. I have only LIVED these three things a few times and I am sure that I learned more in those few days than I will learn in this class. Sorry Dr. G! You really do have to put yourself in another persons shoes to know what it is like to be that person.
ReplyDeleteI found a point made in the McIntosh piece to be very poignant and one that I have personally grappled with when considering the fight for equality. One of the first points McIntosh makes is that those in majority positions (whether male, white or any other majority positionality) have a certain amount of power. While these individuals may certainly acknowledge that minorities face great disadvantages and may wish to change this and help alleviate these disadvantages, they will not do this at the expense of their own power.
ReplyDeleteAs much as I would like to deny this in my own self, I cannot. It is a fact that when I have children I will want them to have every possible advantage I can give them. It is my utmost wish that every child could be given every possible advantage in education and in life. However, I am forced to admit that I would raise a fight if that meant bringing my future children disadvantages.
Which raises the question: in striving for equality, is it necessary for the majority to lose power and advantages so that minority groups may experience these same benefits? Or is there a way to allow the majority group to keep the advantages they have grown accustomed to while simultaneously sharing those benefits with groups who have not previously enjoyed access to these advantages? Obviously when it comes to issues such as the color of bandaids and the faces on greeting cards the advantage of having items that fit each particular race and ethnicity will bring no harm or disadvantage to anyone. Yet, when you discuss issues such as education and jobs the answers seem to become more muddled.
I believe equality is only fair and is necessary if the United States is to continue growing as a nation. I detest the idea of a society in which any one group has unearned and undeserved advantages. Yet, I also worry about a future in which advantages are taken away from me or my children, simply because we are white. I hope for a future in which I can keep the advantages I have grown accustomed to and am able to share them with everyone, regardless of the color of their skin, the religion they practice, or whom they choose to love.
Megan,
ReplyDeleteConcerning your question about how to approach religious differences in the classroom:
In my experience in Wake County Schools, a teacher's individual religious and political views are generally off limits and they are strongly encouraged not to discuss them. I am curious to know if others have had different experiences. However to address the problem of your feelings that may arise as you become aware of the different religions of your students and their families, I encourage you to look for commonalities between your faith and that of others. While you can start at the food and festival level - see the gleam in their eye as they discuss Ramadan or Chanukah, salivate with them as they describe their favorite holiday foods, you will gain much if you are able to go beyond this. You may find devout students from all sorts of different faiths committing very "Christian" acts: befriending others, telling the truth, doing charitable acts all because of their faith. Although very few students, at least in elementary and middle school, will admit to being an Atheist, keep in mind that the soup kitchens, food banks, free medical and dental clinics are not exclusively filled with volunteers of an established faith. There are many atheists there as well, acting from their conscience, trying to serve others.
Thanks Megan for sharing and being honest. By the way, I sat directly behind you in Thursday's class. I'm old enough to have made several circles through religious questions and difficulties. I'm a bit tired of circling, but my views continue to evolve. My dad is in his late seventies and still has new insights.
I had a conversation with a friend today about the similarities our sons share. Her son (like mine) waits until the last minute to get started on projects, is often late with his schoolwork (or doesn’t turn it in), his grades are up and down in all his subjects depending on whether he has completed (and turned in!) his homework. My friend said this situation has been a daily struggle with her son for years and she is sick of the battles. I can utterly relate.
ReplyDeleteAlthough my friend is an intelligent and powerful public official and I know how dedicated she and her husband have been to the education of their children - I wonder how our boys will be viewed next year as each goes to a different high school. You see, my son could easily be seen as white whereas her son will certainly be seen as black. Will school officials automatically assume that her son received less attention, less parenting, less discipline, or less support than mine? Will her son be seen as lazy whereas mine will be seen as a student with organization issues? I wonder as future/current teachers how far our assumptions go when dealing with children and families we do not really know.
As my friend and I talked, I reflected on the piece by Joaquin’s father. His struggles were so similar. Why is it that we lose so many boys in school? Why do fewer boys graduate from high school and fewer still go on to college than girls? What can we do as educators to ensure that we reach and teach not just the compliant workaholics – but also those conundrum kids including our wonderful, wandering boys?
What strikes me most about the issues that we have been discussing in class is their overwhelming complexity. I don’t think that the educational success or failure of groups of students can be diagrammed out into simple reasons that are easily manipulated one way or the other. We are talking about a wide range of social, cultural, economic, etc. issues that come together to create educational systems and academic results. In looking at an individual student, perhaps it becomes somewhat clearer what factors resulted in their academic “success” or “failure.” Think about your own educational experiences. I have always been “academically inclined,” but if you look at my employment history and other societal measures of success, you might not know how well I am capable of performing in school. For me, I do believe that my family support was the main reason that I cared about school and excelled.
ReplyDeleteAnother example of the complexities that we touched on in class comes from the video about black girls with different skin tones. I never knew that there was such a desire to be lighter skinned until I shared an office with a coworker who was black and female. She considered herself among the lighter skinned group, and I was bowled over when she mentioned the tensions that existed among black females concerning skin color. She said that there was even tension among her group of friends relating to skin color. In my experience, white girls tend to want to have tanner skin, but I have not been in a situation where the situation was tense.
The piece about Joaquin also brings out many complexities relating to race and education. If the students themselves choose to reduce their academic performance, there are greater forces at work than how the school system and teachers are treating the children. I think that society as a whole has changes to make if we are to reach the point of real social justice, even in the classroom. For some students, offering them opportunities and teaching in a way that celebrates all groups in society may not be enough. In schools where diversity is minimal, there are still students who do not make the grade.
Finally, as I reflect on my own many biases, I am also struck by their complexity. In subconsciously forming these biases, there are certainly legitimate reasons for them. My own upbringing and experiences have informed these biases. As I go through life, I will continue to have experiences that affect these biases, some of which will contribute to them and some of which will help me realize that there is not a certain mold that all members of a certain group fill. I think that many of my biases result from apprehension and intimidation on my part. I also tend to assume how people see me prior to forming relationships with them, and these assumptions are generally negative. Even though I have had extremely positive experiences with people in groups about whom I have biases (I can think of 2 specific situations where I would have been in a pretty bad way without these people), I continue to carry these thoughts with me. There is a major disconnect in my personal relationships with people in these groups and my continued biases.
Thanks for the wonderful start to the blog. The comments in these posts have been honest and thoughtful, and it's exciting to see practical applications of the ideas covered in the readings. I'm looking forward to more posts and responses!
ReplyDeleteJust so y'all know, I prefer to not jump into the blog conversations, as I want this space to belong to the students and privilege your voices. However, if someone directs a question or comment to me, I will be more than happy to respond. I enjoy reading, reflecting, and learning from the blog!
I really enjoyed class last night. The exercise that we did in the hallway was very different in my opinion but it worked. I found it odd that I was in 3 groups with the same person lol... I admire Dr. Greenfields creativity and while some issues discussed in class may make some uncomfortable, no one can say that class is boring!!!!
ReplyDeleteI appreciate the openness that this class offers, but I wonder how open are some people going to be? I pose the question to all classmates: How much have you held back from saying thus far in class to avoid hurting the feelings of others and/or to avoid possibly being ridiculed? Just a thought...
In my undergrad, I once had a teacher that told us that it only takes one real-life situation to enforce a negative stereotype. However, it takes several positive interactions to break or disprove a stereotype. I think so often we hear a joke or a negative comment, for example the notion that women cannot drive well. This may not make an impression at first, but perhaps later that day you get cutoff by a woman on the highway - and the stereotype is set.
ReplyDeleteI think that we naturally create biases based on our upbringing and our experiences. But I think the key thing that I have learned so far in this class, with the help of our readings, is that we should always consciously think about what biases we may be harboring while making decisions. I think I was able to relate a lot to the McIntosh piece, meaning that I need to stop, think, and empathize more. As an educator things that I do or say could have a profound impact on a student's self-esteem.
In fact, just writing that last sentence made me think of a particular time in high school where a teacher made a pretty thoughtless comment. I have struggled with weight for most of my life and I was overweight for all of my high school years. One day, as a freshman student, a male teacher made a comment about my figure. I was deeply upset and embarrassed, as he said this in front of all of my friends. Needless to say, I was glad he decided to take a job elsewhere the following year because I did not like seeing him on a day-to-day basis.
This is not a situation that I ever want to have one of my students go through, and I want to do everything I can to stop this from ever happening.
In response to Jessica's post -
ReplyDeleteI find it incredibly discomfiting that any teacher would make a comment that in any way judges or criticizes a student's figure, something every adolescent child is confused by and dealing with on a daily basis. I am sorry that this happened to you. This is an issue very near and dear to my heart and I believe that every educator, particularly those at the secondary level, must be aware of the unique challenges adolescents face.
While I have always been conscious of these challenges due to my own struggles growing up, this class has given me the opportunity to reflect on the added challenges teenagers from minority groups contend with. I hope that by recognizing these challenges I can become a better and more empathic teacher for all students. It is my hope that I will become a teacher that students can trust and feel they can come to with any situation they may face, regardless of differences in the color of our skin, financial backgrounds, sexual orientation, sex, religion, or any other factor that may create a situation of "them" vs. "us"
Are the issues (diversity in the classroom, multiculturalism, social justice)we are discussing in class REALLY a problem? I never really thought about it until this week. I guess it is because I am a white male and don't have the struggles that people of other gender and races have. I sound a little sarcastic, don't I? Well, so far, that is what I am being told in this class. White males have put themselves in a position that gives everyone else a disadvantage. In Peggy McIntosh's article she writes, "As we in Women's Studies work to reveal male privilege an ask men to give up some of their power..." That statement really shocked me - that a woman would ask for men to relenquish some of their privileges. My first thought was "what privileges? Nothing has been handed to me. I have worked hard to get where I am at and I deserve what I have, including the privileges".
ReplyDeleteOk, so at first, I might not have completely understood the point of all this but after watching the video with the children and the dolls I am better understanding the big picture and realize that "privileges" are not just living in a nice house because I have worked hard and made good money but they are the little things that I take for advantage like being able to watch a tv show or purchase a toy that reflects my culture.
I am certain that this class will expose me to things that I have never considered or encountered and look forward to understanding the struggles that my students will be dealing with.
Interesting articles
ReplyDelete"Opportunity arises in Texas history dispute" by DeWayne Wickham
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/2010-05-25-column25_ST1_N.htm
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"The Moynihan Future" by James T. Patterson
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/29/opinion/29Patterson.html
I think one of things that I have been fighting with is understanding the underrepresentation of other races, ethnicities, genders, etc. in all aspects of life. Many of the articles that we read this week had underlying connotations regarding this topic, and I think it is something worth pointing out. Coming from a primarily white high school and an even less diverse college, it makes me wonder about the reason for this underrepresentation. It always makes me wonder whether the misrepresentation is because of the oppression against the different groups or whether the misrepresentation is being caused within the groups themselves. I can’t determine whether the privileged class has truly created an environment that does not allow for the underprivileged classes to be integrated into different aspects of life or if the under privileged classes are pulling themselves down, or a combination of both. I think the Noguera article about his son Joaquin adds some possible insight about this phenomenon; at least on the side of the underprivileged. Joaquin felt peer pressure that prevented him from performing well academically in high school. It is possible that this is happening in across the different groups, so that underprivileged classes are “taking themselves out of the game.”
ReplyDeleteBeing a white woman who went to high school in a predominantly white community, I can not begin to understand what types of peer pressure other groups feel during high school. At the same time, I did feel the struggle between peer pressure and academic performance. I played a sport and it was expected to get good enough grades to participate, but I was also tracked early on into the higher level math classes. I can remember in sixth grade when I was moved two levels ahead and wasn’t with any of my friends. I was tracked into this class based on a pretest that I had taken in fifth grade that determined which math class I would be tracked into. I remember feeling embarrassed because I was in the high level math class and even went to the extreme to tell the people not in my math class that I had cheated on the pretest given the year before. Although this was certainly not true, I wanted to fit in and not feel ostracized for being smart, and in the long run, I think negatively affected my academic confidence. Looking back on the Noguera article, I worry that if students in high school start performing poorly to impress their friends and then realize how important grades are by senior year, their GPA may be too low to even get into college. I worry that because students may get behind in high school due to peer pressure, they may never get out of the funk and that may be partly be the cause of the misrepresentation of different groups in other aspects of life whether it’s the workforce, college, or politics.
While I agree with Peggy McIntosh’s premise that those in any position of power should strive to be more aware of the inequities that exist and of the advantages that the position gives, two of the statements she makes in the article bothers me. First, “Whiteness protected me from many kinds of hostility, distress, and violence, which I was being subtly trained to visit in turn upon people of color.” I agree that “whiteness protects...from hostility, distress, and violence”, however I find the idea that this means that an individual is being trained to turn hostility, distress and violence on others offensive. Similarly, the statement “[The interlocking oppressions] take both active forms which we can see and embedded forms which as a member of the dominant group one is taught not to see.” I could agree that maybe members of the dominant group do not see the oppressions, but the phrasing that they are “taught not to see” seems abrasive. I am not concretely sure why these statements bother me, I just know that when I initially read them I felt a repulsion. I think it is because they seem to suggest that simply by being in a position of power an individual is maliciously oppressing others and I am not sure how I feel about that position. I agree that the system is oppressive and those in power should work towards adjusting the system and I can even agree that simply by being in a position of power you might be oppressing others, however it is the suggestion of maliciousness that bothers me. Perhaps I am simply bothered by her phrasing, it is unclear exactly what she means. Who is “training” or “teaching” these things to the dominant group? The individual themselves? The system? The dominant group as a whole? The oppressions? While any of these would result in a similar argument, it would have slightly different implications. I am curious if anyone else noticed the phrasing of these statements and what their thoughts are.
ReplyDeleteI would like to share my thoughts on the “White Privilege” reading by Peggy McIntosh. This piece really opened up my eyes to the advantages that I, as a middle-aged white male, was unknowingly given. The examples that McIntosh listed gave me a different perspective on occurrences that happen every single day. I have never truly thought about those advantages that I have over people of different races and gender, and I feel this represents a big problem as our society looks to move towards multiculturalism and social justice.
ReplyDeleteThe Simpson’s television show has illustrated this problem in a light-hearted manner. In this episode, Lisa and Grandpa Simpson are complaining about their age being a problem when it comes to “listening to their beliefs.” Homer intrudes on their conversation and says, “I’m a white male age 18-49. Everyone listens to my suggestions no matter how stupid they are.” Although meant for comedy, this scene brings to light a very interesting point with regards to advantages supplied to different groups of people. The truth is that there are many advantages that certain groups are given that may go unnoticed. It is impossible for me, as a middle-aged white male, to truly understand what life is like living without these advantages unless I experience life without them. I must keep this in perspective, because these advantages and their corollary disadvantages shape individual’s positionalities and their standpoint epistemology.
I was thinking about acceptance vs tolerance, but that doesn't really touch on what we were talking about this week.
ReplyDeleteWhile watching the "A Girl Like Me" video, something interesting came to mind for me, while watching it. I am in no way interested in what my family was like in Europe. Why? because I'm an American, and have been for generations. Unfortunately though many black Americans don't feel like American history is also their history. Actors aren't experts, but I like Morgan Freeman in general, but I also like one of his quotes. "I don’t want a black history month. Black history is American history…I am going to stop calling you a white man and I’m going to ask you to stop calling me a black man." The second portion of that quote brings me to another issue, of race in America. I completely agree with racial equality, but I feel as if the fight over racial equality has in many ways, polarized it, and made race more distinguished, rather than less important. When I look at racial inequality, I see it as mostly the taking away of an advantage rather than the giving of advantages. White males have definitely been given a few advantages, but I think the gap has mostly arisen by taking things from other groups rather than giving themselves extra. In the fight for equality, as someone pointed out in class, they're fighting the symptoms of inequality with legislature such as affirmative action, rather than combating the cause. Giving advantages rather than taking away disadvantages, seems to have made that distinction, and kept race as such an obvious trait.
-Kyle Moore
I've been thinking about the Sonia Sotomayor piece and our hallway "mingle, mingle, mingle" discussion led by Dr. Greenfield.
ReplyDeleteIn the world of the Justice System, I believe there is a place for those with the power to make decisions to have objectivity in mind, in order to give those in trials a fair thought process and ruling.
However, I believe a completely objective human is a being that will not occur/exist. Everyone experiences life differently, and those experiences will shape their passions and their dislikes into peaks and valleys of understanding and empathy.
And should it not be so? I believe Sonia has much to offer a panel of judges because of the deeper and more existential knowledge about her experiences and the Latina/o community. Like we and Dr. Greenfield talked about in class, the people with the most knowledge are those who have gone through an experience. Sonia comes from a different set of positionalities than most other judges on the Supreme Court bench(I would also make the argument that everyone is different in some way, however small).
Her differences give her an ability to draw on multiple experiences while thinking, which would also give her a different perspective on any given situation, especially those in relation to her positionalities, i.e. as a Latina. This different perspective could help inform someone who was less aware of certain knowledge Sonia's life has given her, just like she may be informed of knowledge or history by someone else.
A group combination of people from different backgrounds is going to provide the richest discussion of complex topics, because those in the conversation are going to hear, and therefore, become aware of, many different perspectives. This is important for our class, for teachers to talk with other good teachers, and for the Supreme Court and governments. Each voice should be heard and considered.
One could argue that the closest thing to objectivity humans will ever reach is an equal listening ear and weight given to each voice. Whether those voices be individual voices in our class, or the voices of a people or group, that are wailing to be heard to the government seats in power. This "objectivity" depends on many voices and many ears to listen.
Diversity, Multiculturalism, and Social Justice, I believe, are agents in working towards an equality of voice and consideration of ideas.
Today I was reading Laurie Halse Anderson's blog (Young Adult author of Speak, Wintergirls, etc), and I noticed a posting of a YouTube video based on her novel Chains. I just read the book a few months back, so, of course, I was going to watch it. (If you'd like to view, click: http://halseanderson.livejournal.com/294164.html). As I was watching this video of a pre-teen male from Oregon rapping about his own creative view of her novel, I began to think how creative the young kid was and how I am looking forward to having kids like this one in my future classes. However, my husband who came in and started watching with me had a totally different reaction. He said he "felt bad" for the kid and "uncomfortable" watching the video because the kid was "embarrassing himself." His comments immediately reminded me of that male burden that Dr. Greenfield had discussed last class. I mean, face it, most of the time we view men as men--macho, head of the household, unemotional, stoic, etc.--but we never think about how difficult of a life that has to be. As Dr. G mentioned, men die on average 7 years earlier than women. I wonder if we allowed men to show their true colors or true emotions then maybe that number would go down.
ReplyDeleteI was pissed. I asked my husband why would he think those thoughts. The boy was innocently having fun and giving a very high-level thinking portrayal of his reactions to the novel Chains. I was proud of him. I was not proud of my husband. But, how can I blame him? When he's the one working full-time and proving himself to a whole other family (mine--his new in-laws), how can I question his reaction to this video?
Positionalities are complicated. As a teacher, I'm encouraging of the YouTube creativity. As a wife who understands the weight of her husband's position, I am curious about the kid's future position as husband... will he be able to live up to his duties placed upon him by his own wife, in-laws, parents, and society?
I've really enjoyed our class talks and look forward to the next four weeks. I've already began viewing things differently and noticing other things that I hadn't before. Progress, ahoy!
Ashley,
ReplyDeleteRegarding your statement:
"I can’t determine whether the privileged class has truly created an environment that does not allow for the underprivileged classes to be integrated into different aspects of life or if the under privileged classes are pulling themselves down, or a combination of both."
It really seems to me that there is some sort of psychological phenomenon that occurs in which those who are underprivileged, marginalized or oppressed take actions that "keep them down" and sometimes they even become the maintainers of the oppression. A good example would be that it was the Chinese women themselves who continued to bind the feet of their daughters so that they would be considered beautiful. The use of bleaching cream in the video " A girl like me" is another example.
I don't think any of us are immune to this. In junior high and high school I was severely bullied. However long after the bullying stopped, I was still bullying myself about what was wrong with me.
I believe that it is everyone's responsibility, the oppressors, the oppressed and all bystanders to help stop this horrible cycle.
Colby – your comment about the Simpsons episode also reminded me of times in which I know that suggestions of certain people are listened to and go unchallenged because they are a member of a minority group. I have seen this in both academic and business settings. In my view, white people are often intimidated by color and do not want to risk looking like they are putting down minorities. I do not think that these social interactions can be easily broken down into their constitutive parts, but the situation and circumstances vary as to whose opinion counts.
ReplyDeleteKyle – I also think that the discussions on race in the United States have tended to increase focus on these issues in a negative way. It is as if we (or at least some of us?) have become hypersensitive to the issue to the point of paralysis or giving up. It seems that these conversations all too often end up producing two or more sides that are pitted against one another. I think that people generally agree on the fundamentals of equality, but when it comes to specific remedies, that is where the differences come in. I think that by focusing on the commonalities and making it clear that domination is not the desire of any group, the way forward becomes much less fraught with controversy. These comments also apply to other forms of diversity, such as homo/heterosexuality.
Concerning Joaquin’s Dilemma:
ReplyDeleteNoguera talks about his son having an angry stage lasting a few years in his teens and asserts that it is due to his son wishing to fulfill the expectations of his peers. He suggests his peers expect him to ignore academic pursuits and be a bad ass young black teen.
When I was a teenager, my peers had almost the same exact expectations of me, with one exception. They expected me to be a bad ass young WHITE teen. I think the author neglects to acknowledge that this angry teen stage is something a lot of teens go through, regardless of race. I grew up a white upper-middle-class male in an almost all white suburban town, and I still was pissed off at the world from age 13 to 17 for no good reason.
I had a thought after our class on Thursday night concerning the misrepresentation of vocabulary we talked about with the statement "force a cultural change". We discussed how the word "force" can be construed as a negative word in this context, which was a notion I agreed with. Looking back, I felt like the word "change" in this phrase can be taken in the wrong context. When I thought about it after class, I saw change as possibly indicating that we are searching for an overhaul and need to completely revamp the way diversity is handled in the schools. I thought that rather than searching for change in this sense, we should be focusing on change in the sense of modifying what is already in place. Rather than use the phrase "cultural change", I have been trying to think of this in the sense of a replacement phrase, "improved cultural integration". I think it's a smaller, more realistic idea to stand behind, and there are so many schools today that have diverse settings for students already (whether it's race, sexuality, social standing). The phrase "forcing a cultural change" may very well have been intended to push improved integration in school settings, but it sounds almost like it could be given as an ultimatum to teachers to fix everything at once, and I think the focus still needs to be on starting from where we are today and striving to improve integration techniques one small step at a time.
ReplyDeleteIn thinking about it I tried to relate it Joaquin's Dilemma and the example given to us in class about the African American student who joined the AP English class for a week. I feel like counselors and teachers at the school who have contact with students capable of taking AP level courses should take a more proactive approach to encouraging students to do so, no matter what their positionalities are. I don't know much about the extent of involvement by faculty in Joaquin's situation, but I feel like if some adult figure whom Joaquin had been instructed by or knew of his high intellectual ability should have had an informal discussion with him about advanced classes and how they could help him at the next level of education (college). I feel like one way to improve the integration in school settings, like the setting of the AP English class, is for teachers to take a more active involvement in encouraging their students to pursue all available opportunities that are well-suited to help them in their future education. I don't think this will solve all the problems of the segregation and stereotypes that exist in today's schools, but I do think this is one way to help push for better integration in the schools.
In the article "Joaquin's Dilemma," the problem of peer pressure is addressed, specifically within the African-American population. Young African-American students often intentionally perform poorly in school in order to be accepted by their peer group. Because academic success is seen as part of White culture, those African-American students who make good grades are often seen as "race traitors."
ReplyDeleteThis is a problem not only in the African-American community, but in many social groups within the school system. I believe one of the reasons this is so prevalent is because students have a hard time making decisions that benefit their future rather than the present. Undoubtedly, students want their futures to be happy and successful. However, the present almost always determines the decisions because, as humans, we want instant gratification.
When we talked the first night about simply not realizing what the other cultures valued and experienced, I didn't realize exactly how profound that statement would be as I read the assigned readings. Although I grew up in a suburb of Atlanta that had a diverse population, I never experienced anything outside of my own group of friends who each came from the same socio-economic group and held many of the same values about education, family, and our futures. Once I read the passages this week, I began to have a far greater appreciation of the various identities and experiences that my students would bring to my classroom.
ReplyDeleteWhen we are begining to recognize differences in our classroom, the similarities that all of our students share, and the potential to create a positive experience for our students, I worry that I might not have enough experiences with different groups to fully understand the students that I will teach. The video with the African-American females was incredibly enlightening as I never considered the things that group went through as they became adults. I am curious about the culture of the different groups that I will encounter in my classrooms, how I can learn more about their cultures, and how I can approach my teaching style to be sensitive, appreciative, and open to the various experiences that my students bring. I hope that we can learn more about our own knowledge in this class so that I can be effective in the classroom. I need to ask myself what groups I already identify with so that I can have a better understanding of the things that I still need to learn.
It will be interesting where this class goes. This is a complex social, educational issue. There are a myriad of factors that influence how we learn, how our performance is assessed and why certain approaches have been taken. I am looking forward to gaining a broader understanding of the cultural issues that impact student motivation and performance. I tend to view my role as one of guiding or helping my students achieve their maximum potential in the particular discipline that I present. As part of that charge, the relationships that are developed during the year will extend beyond the course material.
ReplyDeleteThe focus of several assigned articles extends far beyond the NC Professional Teaching Standards and NC Standard Course of Study Requirements for embracing diversity. Many of our readings are related to the impacts of state and national policies which directly and indirectly impact cultures differently. I hope that this course provides practical insights into creating an open, engaging classroom environment for students from multiple cultures.
In looking at differences, our worldview is central to the way we think and what is the basis for truth. As a Christian, I believe that the Bible was written by a collection of writers who were inspired by God, and as such I place primary emphasis on its teachings. For instance, I believe that each person has inherent value as one created uniquely by God. I also believe that the creator has provided certain commands that are meant to be followed by all people for all times and that deviation from them is wrong. These will shape my views in many areas that we will discuss in this course. At the same time, I look forward to better understanding why others believe the way they do.
In looking up the definition of the word bias, I found that the definition involves a partiality that prevents objective consideration of an issue. I can easily envision how one person would perceive my views biased because I include my Christian faith as a foundation for my views. Yet, is it really biased to hold a reasoned position based on evidence. In asking that question, I recognize that the person who does not believe in God, who is inherently Spirit, will be rejected as non evidence by the person who does not have this frame of reference. This is one aspect of the question of truth that will remain unresolved and creates challenges in dialogue on a range of issues.
As a parent, I am far more interested in selecting a school that provides the best fit for my daughter’s strengths and provides proper challenges for those areas that I want to see her grow. For perspective, she is very gifted academically, but has major social and behavioral problems and is unable to return to the school she attended this year because of her misbehavior. We are considering private schools, the assigned public school and home schooling. The diversity of a school is not a factor in that decision. The quality of education, class size and support for her behavior issues are major factors. I recognize that because we have saved a little every month over a long time (nearly 40 years), I have the ability to make that choice. I would resent a government that took that responsibility away from me as her parent. We selected our previous home based upon the school triad associated with that neighborhood even before we had children (in Fairfax County, VA).
In “Joaquin's Dilemma,” Noguera wrote about the negatives effects of grouping and sorting practices in schools. He stated that these practices reinforce racial stereotypes and separation. This reminded me of a firsthand experience I had last year before I transferred to NC State. Then, I was a student at Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond participating in a practicum course for which I was assigned to a middle school to observe a couple times a week.
ReplyDeleteThe middle school I was assigned to was relatively small. My cooperating teacher, I was told, was the only eighth grade English teacher. She told me on my first day of observation that she had one “advanced” class, three “standard” classes, and one “low-achieving” class. The advanced class had about 25 students, while all of the standard classes had about 30 students. The low-achieving class, which she sometimes called the “special ed class” was very small, with only about ten students. In all of these classes total, there were three Asian-American students and three white students. For the first month or two of my observation, I didn't really think much of it or really notice anything; I just thought that was how the student population of the middle school was.
That was until my cooperating teacher asked me to proctor the writing portion of the Standards of Learning (SOL) test, which is Virginia's state-wide standardized test. I had to get there early this morning because the principal was nice enough to provide free breakfast for the entire 8th grade class so that no one would have to take the test hungry (great idea by the way!). When I got there, the cafeteria was filled with the entire 8th grade class – and when I say filled, I mean dozens of cafeteria tables were packed with students. And about half of them were white. I asked my teacher who all those students were because I had assumed I would have seen them at some point. I thought maybe some other grades had somehow made it into the cafeteria somehow. No – that wasn't the issue. According to my cooperating teacher, all of the white students were in the International Baccalaureate (IB) program, which had an entire wing of the school to itself. It blew my mind!! I asked her if there were any non-white students in the IB program, and she told me there was one African-American student who was.
That's when I knew there was something very wrong at this school. Imagine! One African-American student in the IB program? Three white students in the other English classes? Absolutely ridiculous!! This couldn't be right, couldn't be founded on accurate information. It amazed me. And angered me. Especially because I also observed the remediation class my teacher taught everyday (remediation consisted of multiple choice grammar drills online.... everyday), which had over 25 kids in it who had failed the benchmark test before the SOL test. This remediation class contained all African-American students save for one ESL student. Imagine what sorts of effects all this had on the students at this middle school.
So, yes, I agree with Noguera who says that grouping practices of students can reinforce stereotypes and separation. Whether or not this was on the part of the administration or also perhaps had something to do with self-segregation by students, I don't know. Either way, this is clearly a huge problem!
I must admit that I was pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed class during our first session. Diversity is most definitely a topic that interests me greatly; coming from a multi-cultural background myself, and having had the privilege of doing quite a bit of traveling, are two main contributing factors for this. However, I find myself often bored, and at times irritated at how we broach issues related to diversity. If anything, I get the sense that many Americans distance themselves from the issues at hand because the realities make them uncomfortable. It is for this very reason that I appreciate the unconventional approach Dr. Greenfield has taken to this class.
ReplyDeleteI think that it is healthy to step outside of one’s comfort zone from time to time. In the case of this class, the very notion that we are encouraged to talk about our biases, admit that we harbor them, and think about what this all means is very powerful. In most of my other experiences, the more common take on prejudices and assumptions was that both are unacceptable and should be avoided at all costs. This really is an oversimplified and unrealistic take on a very complicated reality. So, I applaud the professor for expanding our horizons, and for challenging us to face what others have told us to deny and avoid for so long. I’m looking forward to more (heated) discussions. Ha ha.
Megan- you posted: I want to love all people, but how do I balance my beliefs with loving students who don't hold the same values as me?
ReplyDeleteThe answer to this is easy. You continue being the person that you are and accepting the differences that you encounter. you don't have to agree with the way people live the lives to still respect. Just think about it in reverse-how would you want someone to treat you who had different beliefs from you?
I admire you wanting to be inclusive to everyone, yet still wanting to hold on to who you are. i think that is the purpose of the class and the point to multiculturalism. you should never have to give up yourself to welcome someone else. I hope this sheds a little more light on your dilemma!
Andrea -
ReplyDeleteIn response to your question, I think that a lot of us have held back or given much "safer" (and therefore perhaps less offensive?) answers to those hard questions. The question about the biases we have was an especially difficult one! We were asked to reveal something unfavorable about ourselves, and that is HARD, especially when it's not to trusted friends. I think some answers (mine included) were safe in the way that most people would probably laugh and agree that they share the same misguided tendency to joke about or get frustrated with or hold a grudge against certain groups, whether it's because of their age or career, etc. Other answers were almost self-deprecating at times. Whatever the answers, they were probably real and truthful none-the-less. Maybe we're just not ready yet to admit these things that are ugly about ourselves... at least not to people who are still pretty much strangers. But we know in our hearts that we hold these... Maybe we can't admit them to others yet, and maybe that will come by the end of the class. No matter what, we are each are own harshest critic. Whether or not we gave a safe answer (or at least safer than other scarier/uglier ones), we all got the message: that we have a lot of work to do!
Richard- i do not think it was th intention of the author to neglect that angry stages in adolescence happens in every race. I think the author was speaking of something greater than the typical teenage quest for being. What the author was speaking of includes that but goes way beyond it. The point the cuthor was making is that in certain cultures, making good grades is deemed to be "acting white." Can you imagine being told that you shouldn't be good at something that may come easily to you? and this occurring from people you respect and value? for some african-american children this is a reality evryday. they go to school and excell and some people are surprised at that because they dont "expect" this child to be able to accomplish much. then this just goes home to tell friends and family how well they are doing amd instead of receiving praise, they are shunned and ridiculed..that is a large plate for anyone to eat, let alone a teenager. I am not tryng to speak for the author, but i drew from the reading that he was speaking of something more fundamental. just a little food for thought.
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ReplyDeleteI think these past two classes have been interesting. I have really enjoyed hearing everyone's thoughts an opinions on the readings and even the questions posed in class. I never really thought of myself as someone who discriminates against other people, but with even just the first two days of class, I find myself making judgments about people all the time and I never really noticed it. I am really looking forward to learning more about myself, hearing others' opinions, and having many discussions with the others in class.
Like some in this class, many of my preconceptions are grounded in my faith. My faith has made me who I am. One of the things that I have learned about my faith and my beliefs is that it is ok for me to like a person even if I don't agree with the way they believe. However it doesn't mean that I don't find myself thinking that because of my beliefs that I am some how superior to that person. When in reality, I am no better than that person. It is amazing to me how much I learn when I stop and analyze why I believe what I believe. I think that I will find myself reflecting on how much I let my faith interfere with my relationships with people just because I do not agree with the way they live.
Katrina,
ReplyDeleteI wanted to respond to your post because I think it's a great example of how differently people react to others' actions... and I'm sure this will be something we see almost daily in class! Also, I can definitely see something similar to this happening in my own relationship (actually, I think it has... a few times:) )! As current or future teachers, I think all of us get so excited to see such creativity after being scared to death in every class about the achievement gap, the difficulties of getting students engaged in lessons, the classroom management problems we'll be faced with, the complexities of our students' lives and how this can affect their academic lives, how we need to differentiate instruction for all students, etc., etc., etc. Maybe, as a result, we just value creativity (in creative packages) so much more! We just wish and hope and cross our fingers that we'll have students who feel so inspired by what they read that they create something unique and original, especially when all our classes seem to tell us it's going to be hard to get such things out of our students. Especially boys! But maybe that's just another stereotype... and a self-fulfilling prophecy (but I digress...:) ).
Anyhow, your post made me think about how even the most confident students might become scared to put themselves out there and make something creative when they're at the risk of being laughed at, or once that risk becomes a reality. Take that and add to it gender roles and stereotypes and eventually you begin to wonder how it is that ANY of us make/made it through ANYTHING, especially something so traumatic as high school. But that will be what we're there for... to encourage them and applaud their efforts - no matter how big or small. But I wonder... will that be enough??
I have continued to ponder on is our discussion from Thursday night's class on where prejudices and bias come from. Before shifting to being an environmental and science educator I was, and still am, a dog trainer. I know an absurd amount about dogs, and yes, I do apply my dog training knowledge in the teaching of humans. For instance, just as human children have developmental stages, so do dogs. During the first year of a dogs life, it goes through several key socialization periods. Basically what a dog experiences during the first year of its life greatly impacts how it behaves towards others of all species and towards its environment. Much anecdotal evidence exists about dogs reacting differently to people of different races. One theory about why dogs react to people differently goes back to what they were exposed to and not exposed to during their socialization period. So therefore, does that mean they are reacting out of fear toward the unknown?
ReplyDeleteMy own dog reacts differently to people of different races, gender and age. I have had her since she was about a year old, so I can only speculate on her experiences before she came to me. I do know that usually if someone takes a moment to get to know her and let her get to know them she will gladly be your new best friend; however, my neighbors are very dark skinned African Americans and she continues to bark at them no matter what they do.
So all these thoughts make me wonder about how much of human prejudices are inspired by fear of the unknown. As with instance that Dr. Greenfield shared of a student whose prejudice against homosexual was brought into question when she met a homosexual that she liked, how much of our prejudices are changed when we take the time to get to know someone that is not like us? Similarly, can we educate people about different races and cultures to a point that eliminates bias?
I thought this last class was much more interesting than the first. The readings offered some thoughtful ideas that I haven't really considered. Hearing the opinions and thoughts of minorities such as Joaquin's, I've tried to alter my thinking when considering minorities. Not that I was discriminatory, but I never really thought about the day in and day out struggles facing them. The privileges and assumptions I make about myself are often things that minorities toil over.
ReplyDeleteI think that a lot of our assumptions and biases come from simple selfishness. Selfishness goes beyond just wanting stuff for yourself. It also encompasses the way you think. Just considering yourself better than others is an act of selfishness. As humans, we are inherently selfish, and this mindset will continue to shape our biases and wedge our differences.
In response to Lauren's post:
ReplyDeleteI too have a dog and have noticed the same varying reactions from him to people of different races and sex. I, actually a horrible dog trainer, was not aware of the abundance of information Lauren clearly possesses but I find it interesting to consider the parallels that she points out.
By not being exposed to certain races or perhaps having had one bad experience with an individual of a particular race, my dog (Jax) has taken on certain biases towards certain groups. I believe these are certainly parallels that we can see in humans as well. For those of us who have gone to a school that is predominantly of one race, our own, we are certainly much more inclined to respond to different races outside of school with a certain level of apprehension. I feel this is true whether you are white and attend a predominantly white school, black and attend a predominantly black school, or Latino/a and attend a predominantly Hispanic school. Our situations simply do not allow us to know any better.
After having traveled extensively to different countries and even different states within our own country, I feel that I am fairly accustomed to being surrounded by individuals different from myself and can appreciate them for being who they are not merely by the color of their skin (though I do certainly have other biases that I need to work on). Had I never had these experiences I believe the way I view individuals different from myself would be similar to the way Jax views people with darker skin walking down the street, with apprehension. When I have friends over with darker skin and Jax is given the opportunity to get to know them he, like Lauren's dog, becomes their best friend.
I believe that it takes getting to know someone that is different to realize that more often than not they are actually more similar than they are different.
In response to Kevin –
ReplyDeleteThe article concerning white privilege also took me aback a little bit at first, because I felt that some of the things listed were fairly trivial, and most of them should be expected for all people. Therefore, these are not privileges or special advantages for whites, but these items are lacking for some minority populations. I suppose this could be viewed as two sides to a coin, but to stress one over the other seems to be a mistake. She later makes this clear in the section describing positive and negative advantages.
I took issue with her assertion that a change of individual attitudes would not change the differences in opportunity that groups receive. I always favor a view of society based on individual action and shirk away from placing blame on larger entities, to which actions and thoughts are ascribed but that do not really exist (ie. countries). I know that we are accustomed to hearing statements concerning, for example, “the US position on so-and-so,” but I have never met the U.S., and I think it is very important to properly place the source of policy/thoughts/positions, etc. In the same way, I think that if everyone really does have a change of attitude, the doors would then be open equally for all. Blaming the system is a weak view. Blame each of us individually for our part.
Theresa – Thank you for the tow references. I looked up and read the Moynihan Report (http://www.blackpast.org/?q=primary/moynihan-report-1965) cited in the second article. I find it interesting that the author concluded that a critical concern lie on the deterioration of the fabric of the society and at its heart was the deterioration of the Negro family. The impacts of three centuries of exploitation are at the core of causing the situation. He recommended that “a national effort towards the problems of Negro Americans must be directed towards the question of family structure. The object should be to strengthen the Negro family so as to enable it to raise and support its members as do other families” (p. 32 of report). For a variety of reasons, this effort was derailed and as predicted the situation has gotten worse. The author also predicted that without a substantial national effort it would take generations to achieve equality of results.
ReplyDeleteShana – As I read the McIntosh article, it is as if she blames me for being born a white male. I didn’t write the rules, but I have done many things to maximize my advantage within them. I studied hard in school, worked hard on the job, saved from each paycheck, etc. My parents instilled a good work ethic and I was taught to respect all persons.
Given the zero sum game for resources, the author is stating that it is improper somehow for making decisions that provide me the best outcomes given my skills, passions and experience. Restated, that means those with various unearned privileges should voluntarily or be forced to give up opportunities and resources to make us more equal. I don’t think many people would voluntarily take a pay cut so that could be given to others who are less fortunate.
I would agree with the author that there is no place for derogatory comments made by individuals against others based on cultural differences. This is a hard area to change since it involves attitudes of the heart. It is complicated by a host of cultural issues that differ on how we speak to people. For instance, we had a Hispanic Obstetrician at West Point. He would give his patients a hug and occasionally a kiss on the cheek. This was offensive to some while others considered it friendly and engaging.
I believe that we have a responsibility as individuals to use the gifts that God has given us to serve others. My wife and I have contributed to a number of organizations that support those who are less fortunate. We provided financial assistance to a student that God placed in our lives after he was separated from West Point because of Academic failure. We have also opened our homes to several individuals and one family as they got their feet back on the ground financially. These efforts have led to financial and emotional support for those helped and provided us a broader into other cultural issues. In most cases they have led to long term relationships. It seems to me that Government programs tend to breed attitudes of entitlement.
While I have enjoyed gaining new insight from Dr. Greenfield and our class readings, I really want to say thank you to my peers. Even after reading only this one blog, I feel enlightened by the perspectives you all have to offer. (I guess I owe Dr. G a big thank you too, since he's the one who requires who to blog!) I agree so completely with some of you. (Theresa, I feel so similarly about faith, and have never been able to voice those opinions in such a beautiful way, which was especially difficult attending a Catholic high school) While others, I disagree with, and yet feel grateful to hear the opposing views. After reading Andrea's question, "How much have you held back from saying thus far in class to avoid hurting the feelings of others and/or to avoid possibly being ridiculed?" I began thinking very honestly about my answer. I've never been one to openly disagree with others. I always fear offending others or hurting the feelings of others. But this class has encouraged me to consider this and the idea of "politically correct." How can others learn from my experiences, if I don't voice them. I have already seen through reading your experiences on this blog how much I can learn. So my goal for this class is to try and be more honest, even if I fear I might offend someone else.
ReplyDeleteI was taken aback by Peggy McIntosh's article. Social justice, as I understand it, aspires to give ALL people equal opportunities and power. If minorities are given more power, while Whites give up their power, then another inequality exists. Shouldn't ALL people be given the same opportunities as what McIntosh assumes is already given to Whites? I think McIntosh assumes incorrectly. Not
all white people have the same advantages. While I moved to a middle class, predominantly white community when I was 12 years old, I was not born into the privilege. I was born into a predominantly white trailer park. On her list, McIntosh claims that as a white person, I don't have to worry that people will attribute second hand clothes to the poverty of my race. As a little girl, I remember being very aware of the fact that I was "trailer trash", which is a term used predominately for white people. My worn clothes were attributed to the poverty of my race. I do take for granted the fact that I can always find a barbie doll that has the same skin color as I do and the fact that I can turn on the television and see a number of people with the same skin color as myself. But in my opinion, we should be working to give everyone these same privileges, not taking privileges away from anyone. We should be working to make sure ALL people are "over-privileged" as Peggy McIntosh would say.
In Response to Megan (first post): Megan, something very important to consider is that many of your students may not have much of a choice in the matter of their religion. Author Richard Dawkins, often talks about not labeling children in terms of religion. For example we should never say Christian child, we should instead say child of Christian parents. Many adults cannot even figure out their stance on religion, so why do we expect children to be devout? More often than not, they are merely modeling after their parents. While in high school, I would have told you that I was very religious, but at the time I was living with my parents and following their footsteps. It wasn't until I left home did I make up my own decisions about religion. So keep that in mind if it is something that you feel strongly about. I would not expect any child to personally hold a religion at all at such a young age.
ReplyDeleteIn response to Marc about the McIntosh article: I think one of the most important things to remember about what McIntosh was saying is that you need to keep in mind your advantages. No one blames you/anyone from being born a white male, but what advantages did that give you? Were you able to study hard in school because it was payed for by your parents or scholarship and you didn't need to work? Were you able to work hard at your job because you were able bodied and free of disabilities, or illnesses? Obviously I'm not saying that this is what happened to you - so no offense, but I just wanted to give some examples. In in terms of taking a pay cut... Would it be fair if a person had to overcome many disadvantages, yet accomplished the same as you and still get payed lower because of their sex, skin color, or other physical appearance? I know it irks me to see the management at my company is all male, and one of them even discriminates against females in a not-so-subtle way. Did he work harder than me to get to that position?
Thanasi,
ReplyDeleteI would like to add to your sentiments and say that I too enjoyed the unconventional approach of Dr. Greenfield in class this week. Someone mentioned in the first class the phrase "politically correct". I think that too many people today try to be politically correct when referring to diversity. Dr. Greenfield's approach of getting us to be honest with ourselves helps us to get away from the notion of being politically correct when referring to diverse situations. I think in order to have a chance at getting past certain biases about a certain positionality, we have to first be honest with what biases we actually possess. It's like the 12-step program to me, the first step in getting past an addiction is admitting truthfully that you have that addiction. I think the first step in understanding and potentially overcoming certain biases is to honestly admit to ourselves that we do, in fact, possess these biases. I am definitely on board with Dr. Greenfield's approach with helping us to identify these biases within ourselves.
Brandon,
Your post reminded me of an experience I witnessed while I was in high school. I had an African American friend named Carlton. He was in a lot of the higher level courses (honors and AP level) at my grade level throughout high school, and he consistently performed very well in all his courses. He also had the reputation around our school of being the "whitest black guy" at our school. I never referred to him as such, but I heard people use that in reference to him, and I don't know if it quite hit me what that may have meant to him as an individual until our discussions in class this week. He never let those comments affect him to the point where he stopped taking higher level courses, but I am realizing now that those comments had to have an internal effect on him somehow. I am starting to see now that Carlton may have been an exception to the idea you've brought forward about African American students performing worse in school intentionally to keep their social reputation at a level that is acceptable to their peers. I also noticed when looking back at this example, that at a high school with a fairly diverse population, he was the only African American classmate I had in the higher level classes at my grade level. I feel like any student who is capable of completing the coursework and has the desire to do so at the higher levels need to be pushed to do so by the adult figures at the school, regardless of race. It's a difficult problem that has arisen in the schools where students intentionally underperform to keep their reputations in tact, but this is a problem that needs to be overcome so that students are able and willing to reach their full intellectual potential.
Hi Kevin –
ReplyDeleteThank you for so openly sharing your concerns. While white men as a group have traditionally held more power and prestige in this society, I do not believe that the average white male feels overly privileged. In fact, as you alluded, white males have their own burdens.
I am going to digress here and say that there are a number of areas in which white males and males of color lack privileges that women often have. For example, males who want to go into certain jobs can find the process daunting if they are trying to enter a female-dominated profession (child care, nursing, hairdressing, flight attendant, dance instructor, etc.). In contrast, while women entering male dominated professions (fork lift operator, steel worker, printer, etc.) sometimes face resistance from their male counterparts, at the same time they are often emotionally supported by other women. The same cannot be said for a large number of men attempting to enter female-dominated professions. In class I brought up another example of female privilege when I talked about the privilege many married females have of deciding whether to stay at home or work. People don’t really think twice about it if a woman is a homemaker or has a job. In contrast, men who make the choice to become a homemaker or stay-at-home Dad often do not receive the same level of acceptance and support.
Looking back at Peggy McIntosh’s article with my group the other day (and remember Peggy wrote the piece in 1989 – and bravely wrote the article with her own admitted baggage and biases) – we discussed the issue of giving up privileges. In re-reading some of the items in the backpack – what we saw was that many of these privileges need not be given up. Instead, the privileges should be accessible to all. Just as the privilege of working or staying home should be supported and accepted whether chosen by a male or female, many privileges enjoyed by the dominant culture can and should be available to all and not just the chosen few.
For those interested in the theme of commonality among religions...
ReplyDeleteMany Faiths, One Truth by T. Gyatso
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/25/opinion/25gyatso.html
Crissy, you bring up a really interesting point. In this class, we're all realizing the disadvantages many groups of people have to face and we earnestly want to help erase these disadvantages. However, how willing are the privileged to give up their own advantages to help the others succeed? I appreciated your honesty about helping others, but wanting your loved ones to have every advantage possible. I think most of us (me included) would agree with you.
ReplyDeleteTeresa, I think you made me aware of something I hadn't thought about before. In all our good intentions to help out minority students or students we see as disadvantaged, we must remember that not every African American student is going to "need our help" and not every Latino will struggle with English. Although we are learning about other groups of people, we need to make sure that we treat each student as an individual and not a generalization or a stereotype.
Andrea, thank you for responding to my post. I really appreciated your practical advise for how to handle my situation. Thanks to everyone who responded. While I wasn't trying to start a religious debate, if anyone would ever like to meet before class to discuss Christianity or other religions, I'd love to grab a cup of coffee and do so.
@ Annita –
ReplyDeleteThe point you mentioned about white girls wanting to be tan is the very thing that I thought of in correlation with the “A Girl Like Me” video. While watching the portion of the video in regards to tension between light skinned black women and dark skin black women, I tried to think of some similarity with white women and I thought about tan versus fair skin. I had not thought of the point you made however about there being no tension between the tan and fair skinned white people and I thought that was an important point to make. Personally I like being tan better than being pale, but I think that is a preference myself, but I don’t have ill feelings towards people tanner than me. Although, some white women do go to tanning salons in order to get tan which is somewhat similar to black woman trying to bleach their skin. Overall, I think the scenario is not as comparable to the skin color situation in black women, but there is still that need to change one’s appearance to be beautiful? I put a question mark because I am not sure which word to use here. I don’t know if it is a sense of belonging that women are seeking or it is a power thing or beauty thing; I think it may be more complex.
@ Amanda –
You know what? I think I agree with what you are saying. I think as individuals we stereotype other races, ethnicities, religions, and classes and I think this is one of the problems with the Peggy McIntosh article. I am not sure I believe everything in the article can be based on race. I think there are certainly some minority individuals that do feel that they have the same “privileges” as white individuals. Additionally, it is quite possible that some of these minority individuals experienced some privileges that white individuals did not have. Although I know it is wrong, there are some employers that choose a minority over a white person because they want to diversify the workforce. I think this is a privilege that some minorities come across. And looking at scholarships to get into college and grad school there are scholarships for minorities, but I haven’t come across any scholarship for a white middle class student. Maybe it is expected that white middle class individuals should be able to pay for college, but I do not necessarily think that is true. Although there has been a lot of effort in creating equality among races, I think there should be more done to improve equality among the classes; I think class is sometimes more limiting than race and should be investigated.
Re: Article Teresa posted (Many Faiths, One Truth by T. Gyatso)
ReplyDeleteIn the article, Gyatso gives a few examples of conflict between different religious groups and asserts, “Such tensions are likely to increase as the world becomes more interconnected and cultures, peoples and religions become ever more entwined.” At first I thought this made sense, but then realized that contact with a different culture, leads to understanding them, which leads to acceptance. So, since we are forced to coexist in an ever-shrinking world, we should learn about each other and subsequently get along. The author does later say, “I’m a firm believer in the power of personal contact to bridge differences”, but in a slightly different context.
I firmly believe that understanding does lead to acceptance, but are there restrictions to this phenomenon? Do some people or groups of people need a significant amount of time to understand and accept? Does every person in the world have this ability, or will some people die before reaching the point of embracing another way of life?
Thanasi,
ReplyDeleteI agree that it is refreshing to be in a group environment where we are encouraged and expected to talk about our differences and what thoughts/biases we've honestly had.
Many Americans do not talk about the differences between socio-economic, racial, or belief groups because (you're right) we have been taught to brush it under the table to avoid offending others. Most people don't like confrontation and I think that's what they expect to get when addressing complex topics with people from different positionalities.
I don't think many people feel comfortable talking about their biases because they may have not thought through them themselves. How many of us were given our biases from our parents? It's no wonder we don't want to talk about them with other people, we can't even talk about a justification or an experience as the reason behind a bias.
I myself was given many of my biases from my parents, but luckily, I too come from a diverse background and have had the privilege of growing up with two siblings 9 and 11 years older than me; siblings that are open-minded and have traveled and have friends from diverse groups over the world. I feel I was given many perspectives on reality while growing up, while some people may not be as lucky/privileged and are only given their immediate guardian's viewpoint or that of a close-knit community.
Megan, religious persecution and discrimination happen every day in America so your original post was very relevant to our class and this blog. I think the fact that you are aware that your own faith may create bias for you toward those of other faiths puts you on the right path to not discriminate against your students of different faiths. There have already been several great responses to your post. You asked "how do I balance my beliefs with loving students who don't hold the same values as me?" Reread your question. Do you really think most non-Christians hold different values than you? Most people, religious or not, hold similar values. Angie commented to this end as well discussing other committing "Christian" acts.
ReplyDeleteJessica also had a good response pointing out that all our students are not given a choice about their religion. Rather than giving vague generalizations about how at different ages children may have different beliefs, I will share my own story. I was raised a Christian in the Episcopal church. I went to church and Sunday because that is where my parents took me Sunday mornings. I believed in Christianity as that was what I was taught to believe. If memory serves me correctly, during my sixth grade year, at church I went through confirmation classes memorizing prayers and stuff. On the day of my confirmation (religious rite making you a member of the church that allows you to take communion, my parents asked me if this was what I wanted to do. It was not until that very instant that I realized I had a choice in what I could believe. Not wanting to disappoint my parents or cause trouble I of course told my parents yes. Internally I wanted time to really think about it and figure out what I believed rather than what I was taught to believe. After years of internal debate and talking to friends of different beliefs, I declared myself an atheist in tenth grade. I transferred college during undergrad in part due to being tired of being told I was going to hell because I was not a Christian - not because I was a bad person or had done some terrible act but just because I had different beliefs which they never bothered to ask me about. During my early twenties I was in a relationship with a Christian and went to church and read books and had discussions. In the end our relationship ended because no matter what I did I couldn't make myself be a Christian. Our relationship did inspire me to investigate my spirituality. When asked to give a name to my religion, I choose pagan as it comes closest to describing my beliefs and spirituality. TO avoid lectures and bad jokes, I have found it best not to share my religion with most people, even friends. I think people of any religion appreciate being asked genuine questions about their religion rather than having assumptions made. I will stop before I start lecturing on how peaceful our world would be if we could just accept others religious beliefs without trying to force our own onto them.
And yes, Megan, I am happy to discuss my religious views with you or anyone in the class.
Re: Thanasi and Taylor
ReplyDeleteI agree with Thanasi and like the way Taylor relates it to an addiction. If no one voices the opinions they have been harboring most of their lives, no one will have the opportunity to dispute that view with them and hopefully work towards resolving the skewed thoughts they have on other cultures.
But, some of us will be very reluctant to face our views because changing them would be scary. Some people think of these prejudices as an important part of they are and are even proud. It’s something they boast about with their close friends and family, and if they are forced to realize they shouldn’t be proud of their prejudices, it may damage the bond they have with some people.
Megan,
ReplyDeleteI feel that I used to be in the same "boat" as you about your Christian beliefs. I went to an extreme liberal arts college, which was very difficult for to let some of the information that I learned "sink in." The information was often contradicting to what I learned and believed. I'm not saying that this is the best way to deal with the situation, but this is what helped me without having to completely abandon my beliefs.
Jesus was often seen helping those in society who were shunned. He was often ridiculed. He pushed barriers, and told parables that pushed barriers. I often think of the women at the well and the parable of the Good Samaritan.
Personally, I believe it is my civic duty to do what is best for society and provide everyone with the same equal rights. Whatever the case, whatever one believes – I’m not to be the judge. He is. However, it isn’t fair for me to take away another’s right to do something because of my belief.
Joni Liverman
Thanasi,
ReplyDeleteI feel you when you talk about you were "given your beliefs from your parents." My parents also impacted how I felt about the world around me…for a while. But when I went to school, my beliefs were challenged. It was definitely difficult (and still is) to have different beliefs than your folks. But we all are different and that’s what makes life so beautiful. It’s awesome for me to go home and have a debate with my family, but in the end agree to disagree. Your family is often the people who are going to love you the most, regardless. : )
Joni
I have been thinking a lot about the experience of children from other countries who have moved to the United States, in the context of what we are discussing in class. I am have particularly been thinking about refugees and immigrants from African countries, since I have several close friends and a past partner who are members of this group, and how they can face stereotypes and difficulties in American society. I tutored a family in English, who were recently arrived refugees from the Congo-Brazzaville, and I was appalled at how difficult their experience was as I was working with them. Although the father was very highly educated and had been a Chemist overseeing a large company, his English was not very good and therefore it was very difficult for him to find work. The family had no car and only the nominal amount of money for rent (in a very poor housing project) provided by refugee services. The problems of fitting in and of wanting acceptance from peer groups as mentioned in “Joaquin’s Dilemma” seem to be especially difficult. Their children attending school were the subject of teasing and bullying for their accents, odd dress (most of their clothes were hand-me-downs collected by us as volunteers) and dark skin. I heard gunshots on several occasions coming to their home, and there was constantly loud music playing around the housing development. Many teachers may not realize what a difficult situation these children faced to go home to and try to get work done. I am appreciative that we are thinking about the various backgrounds of the children we will teach and about how to best support them in school.
ReplyDeleteThe past two classes have been very interesting for me. Personally, I feel that as sociology major, a lot of these issues have already been thrown at me. This means, I need to push myself and take it a step further.
ReplyDeleteI’ve read some of the articles before, but what stood out the most was comment about the band aids. Before reading this article, I had never thought about the privileges that I had been given because I am white. I really don’t think that some people realize or even think about certain things like the band aid. As humans, sometimes are minds do not think about concepts/issues that are “normal” or ordinary to us.
I like the challenge that this class provides. It makes me think of things that I would probably never have thought about, and it makes me learn. Personally, I think that the lack of knowledge some people have about certain issues is the biggest issue that needs to be addressed in our society. I feel that once people are truly aware, we might see more changes to society.
Joni Liverman
The posts from Richard, Gideon and Lauren spurred these thoughts:
ReplyDeleteI think that some people are much more receptive than others to even hearing about faiths other than their own. I think some people are lazy and prefer to stick with the simple (if inaccurate) descriptions of other religions (or cultures) to preserve a sense of the superiority of their own. Once one really does get to know people that are different and realize that the stereotypes do not consistently apply to them, of course a change of attitude is much more possible. However, I think that many people refuse to put themselves in that situation. For differences that may not be readily observable, such as faith or sexuality, people may eventually be surprised to learn that the person they get to know is part of a group against which they have a bias. I think that this type of discovery is the best, most jolting way to accept people for who they are.
I have a family member who definitely fits the above description – not wanting to know about others and resolute in their biases and stereotypes. Over the past few years, every family gathering has been difficult, as we differ on most any issue, political, social or otherwise. Recently, I have generally avoided any sort of conversation concerning anything other than general family business. However, this weekend (partially due to the conversations in this class), I became angry on a different level. I have accepted that this person will never change, but why must I be poisoned also? I have heard these views since I was a child, and I think that the constant comments and biased language have had a negative effect on me. I know that I am old enough to know the difference now, but I am angry that I was and continue to be exposed to such hatred and irrational thought.
Finally, Lauren’s post and the discussion in class about accepted behavior and thought being based on the views of the dominant group brought this to mind: I have had a number of Christian groups coming to my door inviting me to church and wanting to tell me about their religion(s). I doubt that such behavior would be as accepted if the group were Muslim, atheist, etc. Just think about someone knocking on your door and saying, “Hi, I’d like to tell you about how to take responsibility for your destiny, because when you die, you just die.”
Taylor-
ReplyDeleteYour story of the "whitest black guy" at your school was reminded me of several similar experiences and got me wondering again about this type of language and idea. One of my best friends from childhood is biracial and has been described by friends as “white” while others friends have sometimes said I am “blacker” then she is, and we have laughed about this sometimes, but it raises a lot of questions. I know what is meant by our friends when they say that- it fits into stereotypes- my friend went to a primarily white school, she attended Stanford, she tends to date white men, she is very skinny, where as I grew up in a very diverse community, in a public school in SF, have primarily dated inter-racially and spend time in diverse (in the past, often largely African) crowds. However, as we have seen this type of stereotyping can be very damaging because it makes it hard for people just to be themselves, or to even know what that is. I know that both of us have struggled with identity and race. She essentially felt the need to choose between being white or black (whatever that means). I think people like to be able to categorize people, whether it’s religious, ethnic, based on sexual preference or anything else. My brother called me out once on something I didn’t even realize I had done- we were back in San Francisco, where we grew up, visiting a friend of mine who lives in the Castro district (historically very open about homosexuality there) and mentioned to my brother that my friend is gay, but didn’t say anything else about him. My brother waited then replied “great, now I know everything about him, no need to go on” and I realized that I had told my brother that information as if it told him a lot, when really I didn’t tell him anything about my friend-his personality, work, interests, etc. It made me feel embarrassed since I have many friends and even family who are gay and it got me thinking about the way labels are used.
Theresa and Megan-
ReplyDeleteI really appreciate everyone in the class being so thoughtful about these difficult issues, and open. I realize that I have a hard time identifying and owning up to my own biases I think in part because I feel it is so important to me not to have any- but of course that isn’t the case!
As to the topic of religion, and balancing your religious beliefs with the desire to be a great teacher for all of your students, it seems Theresa that you have found a nice way of incorporating your religious views into your work in a way that is accepting of others, which is great. I am, if anything, Jewish, but I have really enjoyed discussions with one of my best friends who is VERY religious and Christian, and we have both learned a lot from each other. As I have know him over the years I have watched him evolve from a very rigid belief system to one that is more inclusive, all the while maintaining his values and his dedication to helping other people. I really admire the way that he and you both are examining your faith, and thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Thanasi--
ReplyDeleteI am glad that you mentioned something about how we are often taught to hide our prejudices and biases; this is how so much of my "diversity" training has been, and I think that by hiding our biases, we are not doing anything to help ourselves become closer to social justice. As uncomfortable as it is, I am glad to see this class taking the approach of identifying how we feel about issues, cultures, and groups so that we will be able to see beyond our own views of the world and be open to differences. When I signed up for this class, I think I expected to be told that we should feel a certain way towards all people and if we didn't, we were wrong. However, the class so far is giving us insight into ourselves, and I'm interested to see where that is going to lead us.
Joni--I hadn't considered the people in the class who have already experienced some of these challenging issues concerning diversity and social justice. I'm glad that there will be some various perspectives from the educational backgrounds in the class as well as the cultural backgrounds. I think it is great that you see this as an opportunity to push yourself and challenge yourself to develop further instead of just saying something like, "I've already done this, I can just sit back and take it easy." And despite having heard things before, I agree that sometimes we forget about certain privileges, even those as simple as a band-aid not matching one's skin or not having a comfortable desk in a lecture because of being left-handed. I hope that we continue to be more aware of the privileges that we take for granted and try to be mindful of these as we embark on our teaching careers.
ReplyDeleteI'm enjoying reading everyone's posts, especially concerning how the issues we have been talking about has been bringing up some unfinished business.
ReplyDeleteI too, like others, had thought that my extensive experiences with so many others different from me, meant that I was "done". However I realize that I too have some unfinished business. In addition to my own biases, I find that I have a great deal of anger towards those that have so often placed me in that "other" category.
Lauren, thanks for your openness about your religious struggles. I also have had a rather unconventional and unique religious path. When I have more time, I would love to share it with our group.
In response to Andrea and her question regarding the "open-ness" of all of us in class.
ReplyDeleteIn class, I've noticed many people thinking quite a bit before they answer a question or join in on an open discussion presented by Dr. Greenfield or others.
I think some might attribute this "hesitation" or pause before talking as people running over what they are going to say to avoid hurting others, using offensive, yet "normal" terms, or being ridiculed/ seen as intolerant.
I don't think it's any of those things. I think some of the discussion in class can be vague because people are orally communicating these things for likely the first time, and probably for almost all of us, for the first time in a group as large as are class, made up of people we barely or don't know.
I think people can be hesitant to be open about biases in class because those biases are not strong positionalities. I believe that many people hold biases or remark/joke about stereotypes, but those things don't make up a large part of their positionality/self.
---Religion is a very strong positionality, but a person's perspective, through that religion, of other's beliefs, is a small positionality.---
I think when people actually start to consider those things we've talked about in class, and the differences among everyone in the world, that they realize that those biases or perspectives they hold, aren't really a major part of who they are.
Of course, there are people who are intolerant, and don't want to make any effort, but I believe the majority of people, given the opportunity to reason and discuss, as we do in class and on this blog, would be willing to shade in or compromise on some of their previous beliefs or notions about other groups of people that they aren't familiar with.
This class has already forced me to come face to face with some of my own biases. After reading Katrina's post, I have to admit that I hold some of those biases against males. Well, I should say I hold heterosexual, adult men to those same standards. I'm the first to think that straight, adult men should not cry and should not express their feelings and so forth. I guess I justify this to myself by saying I feel this way personally. My best friends dad cries at most movies he watches, including the Charlie Brown Christmas movie. And I find it very endearing, yet I hate to admit it, but I don't think I could be romantically involved with a "sensitive" guy. I do hold these biased expectations for my boyfriend. I expect him to be strong, both physically and emotionally. I'm allowed to cry and get my feelings hurt, but I don't allow him that same privilege. I expect that he'll do the more traditional male chores, such as fixing things and assembling things, while I do the traditional female chores such as cooking and laundry. While part of that is because I prefer the way I fold laundry over his way of folding it, I do recognize that I believe I should be doing it simply because I'm a female.
ReplyDeleteFrom Brandon:
ReplyDeleteJohn--
What you said at the end of your original post (about having to be in another person's shoes to understand their problems) reminded me of an
experience I had several years ago. During spring break of my freshman year I went to DC on a "mission" trip with a group of seven students. Our goal for the week was to serve the underprivileged in downtown DC, most of which
were individuals experiencing homelessness. The people facilitating our week thought we should experience homelessness so that we could have some
idea of what those we were to serve went through on a daily basis. So we picked three items from our bags, slept on a church pew (already better than what most people have in homeless situations), and were kicked out on the
street early in the morning to roam DC and find something to eat.
Later in the afternoon I was having a conversation with a man who was
homeless at the time. With my pride swelling I told him about our homeless experience, thinking he would respect me for it. His response was like a desperately-needed punch in the gut: "Shit, you're not gonna know what it's
like by being out here for one day. You know that once this day is over you'll have everything you need again. I've been on the streets for five
years, and I have no idea how much longer I'll be out here."
I may have experienced a few small aspects of homelessness, but they didn't come close to making me understand the complete situation of someone in homelessness. We can step into someone else's shoes all we want, but we can
never fully understand another's situation because we're not living it; it
is not our own reality.
Kyle, I think i read you right - you said, giving advantages rather than taking away disadvantages. If I understand correctly, then I agree with you. When you start handing out "advantages" such as giving a job to a less experienced applicant due to the color of thier skin then you are giving someone an "advantage" and there may be someone else who really diserves that job. I completely and totally disagree with these types of "advantages" (affirmative action). We wouldn't need affirmative action if leglislation forced large corporations to hire the best qualified and did away with the "buddy system". That way the best qualified would always get the job. I know, it is pretty unrealistic and will never happen. Interviewers will always question if the applicant will "fit in" or not.
ReplyDeleteChristians,
I find it very interesting that religion is weighing in so heavily on these conversations. But, I think religions can be part of the problem.
I understand Megan's dilema - most Christians are told that the only way to heaven is through Christ...therefor, everyone else is going to hell...and women can't be preachers because men are closer to God.
Anyone who has strong convictions about their religion is going to have a difficult time accepting/respecting others beliefs. Look at those who argue "creation vs. evolution" in science class.
Story time: I was a liason for the Army at Fort Jackson, SC and was "assigned" a Saudi Prince who was a Muslim. My job was to make sure he was tutored in the class we were taking and I was expected to do whatever I needed to do to make sure he understood the material and passed his tests. He failed all his tests and when I asked him why didn't he care - his response was that we Americans were pigs and he would not take instruction from a pig (the instructor was a female). During the three months I worked with him I felt like I might just do something really bad to him but took up drinking instead and continued to do my job. At the end of the course he came to me and told me that he was dissapointed that I was not a Muslim because we could have been good friends...What!@?
It is a difficult path but as educators I feel that we need to put our own beliefs aside and provide a service to the children who are sitting in front of us.
Teresa and Anita, I always enjoy reading responses to my posts. Thanks for responding.
Amanda- I appreciate your comments about the McIntosh article. I had tried to sum up the difficulties I had with her viewpoint, but you put it much more bluntly. You put it best with "I think McIntosh assumes incorrectly." To make the assumption that one race is "over privileged" seems to still cause a dividing line. Shouldn't we be working to diminish these lines? Every individual, regardless of race, faces difficulties and challenges; so what happened to viewing people as an individual? McIntosh refers to people in broad groups, which seems to me to be counterproductive.
ReplyDeleteKevin - I find your comments on affirmative action interesting, it does not really go along with what I think of as affirmative action programs. This has already been brought up in class once. Dr. G, if you read this, I wonder if we could have a short discussion about what affirmative action entails? I think that there is a lot of misunderstanding; at least I know I am a little confused on the issue.
ReplyDeleteThis is Genise:
ReplyDeleteGideon:
I hadn't thought about why I hesitate to answer in class but I think your right about how we are nervous to speak our opinions. I am a shy person and I do find it difficult to open myself up about these touchy topics. I do think it is also a part of the fact that I don't want to offend people. I think we all have strong opinions and beliefs about certain things, and when someone calls into question the things we believe it's uncomfortable. Like Dr. Greenfield said, we have to keep and open mind and realize that people are not trying to offend us, they just have a different positionality than us.
Brandon:
I really appreciated your story. I try to find something about people that I can relate to, and I never stop to realize that I may not be able to relate to that person because I have never been in their situation. As discussed in class, we can never fully understand what a person is going through until we experience it. We can sympathize with someone, but unless we have the same life experiences we will not be able to really relate to a person.
John,
ReplyDeleteWhile I do agree with you that one has to “live” these experiences to truly understand what it’s like to be that person, I do think broaching these difficult topics in this class will make all of us much more aware of others positionality. I would categorize myself from the “White Privilege” perspective as well, and I know that I probably have experienced diversity, multiculturalism and social justice at a much lower rate than many of my peers in this class. In the three classes we have had thus far, I have become aware of the advantages that I unknowingly receive and the corollary disadvantages that result from them. I think that this class has laid the framework for changing how all of us view the world. If we take advantage of recognizing and accepting each others positionalities, I feel we can be confront our misconceptions and hopefully alter them to be more inclusive for all.
Andrea,
I think you pose a very fair question when you ask, “How much have you held back from saying thus far in class to avoid hurting the feelings of others and/or to avoid possibly being ridiculed.” I must say that I am not a person who will actively raise my hand in class and engage myself in most discussions. I think that there must be many people with this similar characteristic in our class. That is one reason why I think this blog is a wonderful idea. I am able to gather my thoughts, concerns and questions and word them exactly how I want. It’s almost as the anonymity and pace of the blog is a safety net for me. I think one reason I am not at the comfort level to join in these discussions is due to my lack of experience/knowledge of these subjects. I have not experienced all that much when it comes to diversity, multiculturalism and social justice. It is natural when I am in a situation where we are discussing difficult, emotionally charged subjects for me to reserve myself and listen to what others have to say. I know that it will benefit me to engage myself in the discussions; however I am nervous about having my words come out the wrong way and hurting the feelings of my peers. I am hoping that as our class gels together throughout these five weeks and I find myself more comfortable in these situations, that I am able to open up and share my feelings with everyone. Until then, I think that this blog provides an excellent opportunity for myself, and students like myself, to share their thoughts, questions and ideas.
Kevin-
ReplyDeleteInteresting thoughts on the relationship between religion and our biases. I think that public school education should attempt to be as neutral as possible. This includes the teacher's presentation of their subject. While I disagree with evolution being taught exclusively, if a student knows and believes in creation, then they will simiply learn evolution to pass the class. In the same sense that teachers should be neutral, the curriculum should also be bias and judgement free.
Amanda-
ReplyDeleteYour discussion regarding traditional roles and chores is one I've thought about the last few weeks as well. I enjoy cooking, but I realize that my wife doesn't want to cut the grass or trim the hedges. Of all aspects of a traditional masculinity, I think that chores are the most fluid. One is not defined by what they enjoy or don't enjoy doing.
Stephen,
ReplyDeleteIn reponse to the readings, you said,"the privileges and assumptions I make about myself are often things that minorities toil over." This rings true for me as well, especially after pondering the reading assignments.
For some reason, the bandaid example really left a lasting impression on my mind. It wasn't so much the example itself that caught me off guard, but more so the fact that I had never noticed the phenomenon until the author brought it to my attention. For the most part, I do consider myself a well intentioned individual, which is what really makes this lack of awareness daunting. It makes me wonder what else is out there that affects people negatively, that I don't see...
Article that highlights predatory lending practices that have had a disproportionate impact on minorities during this economic downturn.
ReplyDeleteBlacks in Memphis Lose Decades of Economic Gains.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/31/business/economy/31memphis.html?src=me&ref=homepage
Amanda,
ReplyDeleteI think your discussion regarding gender roles could lead to some good debate. There's a lot to be said about honesty when it comes to biases that we all have, especially in this arena.
I personaly have no moral qualms with anyone who chooses to step outside of his or her "traditional" gender roles, but I also greatly respect those who choose to stay in them in the same way. For example, there has been a push in the past few decades to eliminate the 1950's style household where the wife stays at home, and the husband works. Rather than force a gender reversal, I think it would be much more productive of us as a society to recognize that some of us may be more comfortable with a traditional setup, while others may pursue alternative lifestyles--both are ok.
I guess what I'm saying is that, we should not expect or demand that women and men behave in certain ways, but we should also not be so overly concerned with breaking stereotypes that we ignore what some of us are most comfortable with.
Kevin
ReplyDeleteWhile I certainly understand religion being perceived as a hinderance in many situations, I think it's often a problem of an unfortunate misinterpretation. I can only speak for Christians (since that's my perspective), but I also think this applies to most (since there are many offshoots) of the Abrahamic religions.
What I mean by misinterpretation, is that Christians aren't suppose to deny other people our attention, respect or affection. Many devout Christians will treat other religions as lesser or incorrect, when in actuality, they shouldn't be thinking anything about another religion. The Bible is suppose to tell us to not judge, and to have compassion and love for all of God's children (meaning everyone). While it's true we believe the correct path is through Christ, how can be deny the many Jewish forefathers? How could it be that Abraham got to heaven without Christ? Many religious people often forget the "spirit" behind the laws they live by, and attend to rigidly behind the laws themselves.
It's unfortunate, but that's the world we live in. You probably know this, but just in case, there is a wide range of where people stand in the understanding of their religion. I personally think the "creation vs. evolution" argument is way too simple... both. That's my answer, but that's the point of this thread.
As for your story, I'd imagine that's how Islam was taught to him, but that's certainly not how it was originally intended. The Muslims might have ransacked much of the world during their heyday, but it has respect for other religions all the same, it's just been contorted to fit political ideologies.
Shana --
ReplyDeleteI agree that a rich discussion of affirmative action would be beneficial, and I appreciate your suggestion. For now, here's a nice PowerPoint with an overview of affirmative action, developed by the American Association for Affirmative Action:
http://www.affirmativeaction.org/media/AAAA_Generic_Affirmative_Action_Presentation_20090908.pdf
By the way, this organization is holding its annual conference in Raleigh in a month:
http://www.affirmativeaction.org/
As an undergraduate Psychology major, we went over the "Girl Like Me" original study in many, many classes. Every time we studied it, I was always amazed at the outcome. To see this study replicated very recently was very interesting to me. Most people assume that in this time period we are far more advanced and enlightened in terms of stereotyping, and being politically correct. Everyone is always trying to not offend others, walking on eggshells in order to figure out the best way to not offend anyone. For example, in my Intro to Special Ed class, we spent two weeks discussing different labels for special education students and what is the best way to address them! The replication of this study clearly shows that we are no more enlightened that we were years ago when this study was first found to be significant. These children are still getting the same messages they were in the 1940's.
ReplyDeleteAnother part of class that was interesting to me was when we discussed what genders of children we would like to have, and in what order. I was the only person who picked the "Girl-Girl" combination. If someone had asked me that four years ago, I probably would have also picked the Boy-Girl combination that most of my classmates did, but now, as a Women's College alumnae, I unconsciously choose the Girl-Girl option! Thinking back on this choice, I think its because I have spent four years hearing that I am an independent women who is capable of anything I want to do (the school's current campaign is "Women who are going places start at Hollins"). Going into Hollins, I heard all about the women's college advantage, and thought it was ridiculous. I did not realize how true it was, however, until I started my classes with men again. I do not contribute to class as much as I did at Hollins, and I generally feel more uncomfortable and nervous in my classes at State, as opposed to feeling totally comfortable and at home at Hollins. The "women's college advantage" is absolutely true, and has obviously effected me more than I even realize.
Kmoo -
ReplyDeleteWhile in theory, the Christian religion does say all those things that you mentioned, many Christians feel differently (as you addressed) - That Christianity is the ONLY way to Heaven. Being Jewish, I have actually had people tell me that I am going to hell because I'm not Baptized and a Christian. That doesn't feel very good, especially knowing that Christians in theory should love everyone etc. The reality is the most Christians do not act very "Christ-Like."
To Ashley Swandby:
ReplyDeleteI totally agree with your emotions! I'm unsure of what cultures/which groups of people I REALLY know (or understand) and what I should if in the situation of teaching to unfamiliar territory. How can I prepare myself? First, I will try to work on self by branching out into different communities to learn about others aka doing some "field" research. Second, as a teacher, I will (a) be respectful of my students, (b) be myself (after all what else can I be but true), and (c) be like them, or in other words, be a student and learn from them. I feel that when there is a productive equilibrium of respect and humility in the classroom, then the classroom tends to really work, really gets its wheels moving forward and progressing.
To Theresa, Megan, Genise, and all the other brave ones who've broached the religious aspect within the multicultural debate:
Before I even entered this program, I tended to respect the religions of others; I have many friends that fill this spectrum (Buddhist, Muslim, Jewish, atheist, etc.). And, I sort of felt that my relationships were modeled on the "separation of church and state" idea; the idea that you keep religion to yourself unless the subject is broached. And, it did at times, and I'm more knowledgeable for it. Now, as an educator, I feel that I should continue this style of living. I consider myself to be a Christian, but I am not so immersed in this faith to the point where I cannot connect with others of other faiths. I just don't feel that strongly. My hope is that my faith is witnessed by my actions and words--by my living. And, as I've personally encountered, this idea is true for most religions. You don't marry yourself to your religion, you just live it. I think that when you enter the classroom you should model that "separation of church and state" idea in the classroom. Let's call it "separation of church and classroom" in order to really learn our students for who they are, not by what religion they are. And, then, only then, when we have learned about their true selves can we begin to bring discussions of religion back into the class. But, I suppose that I can only say these words because I'm not a strong religious person.
To Amanda and Shannon: Thanks for the responses and your honesty!
Emily -
ReplyDeleteYou know I love ya gal - but I wanted to point out that you said "The reality is the most Christians do not act very "Christ-Like." I wish you felt differently. Unfortunately - although I see your point in that you have had some negative experiences, I also feel that perhaps most Christians (in this country and others) are just trying to do their best to interpret their religion and live it faithfully. I don't think many Christians act "Christ-like" we are too flawed, but I also think there is a large contingent who are intimidated and silenced by those very vocal, outspoken members of the faith who tell us what to believe, who to judge, how to vote and how to live. Unfortunately, this silent contingent does not necessarily do a good job of presenting an alternate view of how to live the Christina faith. Bill Maher (can't stand the guy) made an interesting movie - Religiosity - that I think you might find interesting to watch. Also check out John Shelby Spong's books on Christianity (he by the way is considered by some to be a heretic - but I think his ideas open up the proverbial box). So, while some Christians can be difficult to take, I think many are good (flawed) people who make an effort not to judge. By the way, I have to tell you a story about an airplane journey my very devout Catholic grandmother took and how she dealt with a nosy passenger who wanted to know why she worked for a Jew. Her response was freakin' hilarious.
I said - "Unfortunately, this silent contingent does not necessarily to a good job of presenting an alternate view of how to live the Christian faith" ....I just want to add that it also may be true that they do a good job of presenting this alternate view - but we don't hear about it as much (maybe because living a peaceful, loving life does not necessarily translate to good media ratings).
ReplyDelete@ Megan
ReplyDeleteYou say "My concern lies in my religion -- I am a faithful Christian. I want to love all people, but how do I balance my beliefs with loving students who don't hold the same values as me?"
To this I would say just be sure to never compromise your values by letting students get the best of you. All you can do is treat them with respect and hope they return the favor. It is possible for you to instill in them your values over time as you create a deeper understanding of them on a more personal level.
@ Colby
ReplyDeleteI agree this class will shed some light on my position in this world and I am certainly open to experiencing the position of other people. I have noticed since last week I have begun to think of each setting I am in from my position and looking around me and thinking about what other people must be thinking and how they view the same setting. I even found myself talking about "white privilege" with my friends who of course gave me blank stares. Also, we have only had two classes.
I'm not really sure how to reply to any of these messages. With so much to read... and now that I scrolled down this entire blog...I don't have much to add other than this class has already made me think differently about race and identity. I don't really have much to say about the religious aspect of identity because I don't claim my own; However,
ReplyDeleteI'm definitely guilty of listening to/watching/enjoying standup comedy from David Cross, Kat Williams, and other celebrities (tons of them) known for their ethnic/cultural identities and perpetuating stereotypes about themselves and generally pissing people off. And this is meant all in good fun, but I can't help but question how it shapes our viewpoints without us realizing it. Even looking at East Bound and Down, most of that show is totally bashing the south and perpetuating a stereotype that we all love jetskis, nascar and talking with redneck accents.
I guess those cultural identities and biases are everywhere.
I don't even have a tv right now and for some reason I chose to write about television being a part of this problem.
Anyway, the point being, this class forces me to look outside what I know and am comfortable with talk about.
Coming from a white, middle class background and being from Western North Carolina, I am certain I possess certain biases I am unaware of and hope that the material in this class is something I can connect with and remember after the class is over.
@ Emily
ReplyDeleteI feel somewhat the same as you do, regarding my undergrad education. I didn't go to an all-girls school, but I did attend Appalachian State and was an IDS (liberal studies) major. Thus being one of the 30 in my class whom were white, middle class people. It's pretty ironic to think that being a liberal arts major and taking course about Marxism, Capoeira, Theatre, and women's studies -these classes weren't very diverse at all. And much like you, was always fed the rosie the riveter "you can do it!" type attitude throughout. I definitely think this unintentional bias has also affected me.
OK, I've been doing some thinking (and discussing with my husband) on this religion issue. I rescind my comment on not being strongly religious. Because of my own history, I mistakenly place negative connotations to this word, and to its stem: religion. I am incorrect in this sense. I do consider myself a religious/faithful/spiritual person who has a big problem with the word "religion" than the actual life. Ha. For those who are having issues with teaching a classroom as a person of faith, my question to you is: Why the issues? We should embrace one another. We should respect each other. We should love one another. The issues that we may be experiencing most likely do not lie in our faith but ourselves. ;)
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ReplyDeleteFor anyone who's interested here's the interesting conference paper that I stumbled upon while doing an assignment for a different class: http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/cgi-bin/proxy.pl?server=http://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=eric&AN=ED382957&site=ehost-live&scope=site. It's about 8 pages long, I believe... :)
ReplyDeleteAngie,
ReplyDeleteI agree with you that the privileged class(pc) are often denied experiences due to a lack of diversity in their everyday lives. The upper end of the pc certainly don't lack money but they could definitely benefit from an increased awareness of what makes the rest of us tick.
Having grown up in rural NY in an almost entirely white community, without much concern about money, crime, etc. I feel that my education should have included greater diversity. Throughout it all (I have way more credits than most with a Bachelor's) I never heard any mention of individuals like George Washington Carver. It might have been about 10 years ago that I discovered him on my own. He might only be one example of a deficit in my schooling; but when you consider his scientific brilliance, how hard working, and how much of a true philanthropist he was this immediately shocked me. l believe that all teachers need to look at themselves and understand what makes them who they are. Reaching out and searching for people, events, etc. that are not part of the mainstream in american education is essential. We then must make diversity more of an automatic thing rather than something we insist our students take in order to graduate.
Colby & Kevin,
I believe that it can be almost impossible for those within a privileged class to list most of the privileges that have been afforded them throughout their lives. In the Mcintosh article she lists some of these any many I would not have thought of. Discrimination can often be very subtle and we don't even notice when it's working in our favor. As far as affirmative action goes I think that this could be two wrongs trying to make a right. But it is quite ironic that many of it's critics tend to be the ones who benefit from and, intentionally or unintentionally, have made the situation what it is. So if we the people don't want the government stepping in then we need to fix the problems ourselves.
John E.,
I agree that the best scenario for student success involves tremendous parental support. But many students have overcome their misfortunes and became quite successful in school and life. We need to give them all our best efforts and the ones who due overcome great hardships will probably be the ones who give us the most satisfaction.